Global cooling is the new global warming

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Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:45 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tions.html

Predictions of the disappearing Arctic ice sheet, set to happen in 2013, seem to be...

Well, you read the article.
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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Kulaf » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:52 pm

And how thick is that new ice sheet?

Let's read about David Rose:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/david-r ... rming.html

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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Kulaf » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:02 pm

What else can I find with 10 minutes of searching:
NSIDC wrote:Sea ice extent for August 2013 averaged 6.09 million square kilometers (2.35 million square miles). This was 1.03 million square kilometers (398,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for August, but well above the level recorded last year, which was the lowest September extent in the satellite record. Ice extent this August was similar to the years 2008 to 2010. These contrasts in ice extent from one year to the next highlight the year-to-year variability attending the overall, long-term decline in sea ice extent.
So yes, the ice sheet is bigger this year when compared to the smallest it has EVER been in modern record. Bravo.

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Post by Ddrak » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:14 am

Make your own judgments. Raw data from Cryosphere Today:
sea.ice.anomaly.timeseries[1].jpg
Looks awfully like there was an anomalous August melt last year that they've compared this August to.

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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Harlowe » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:46 am

Embar, are you seriously going to stay on the climate-change denier, knuckledraggers train? Come on..

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Post by Embar Angylwrath » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:26 am

I never denied there was climate change. The climate is always changing. Its been warmer before, its been colder before, and it will be that way again. My issue is blaming it all on man-made emissions, then making years-ahead predictions in a science we have trouble making weekly predictions. Seems to me every time a climate scientist makes a prediction of gloom and doom, and it doesn't come to pass, well, that's just a little anomaly.
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Post by Kulaf » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:02 am

How about this Embar.......we don't blame it ALL on human emissions. We just blame human emissions for rapidly accelerating a possible natural trend?

Because that is what IS actually being claimed.

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Post by Harlowe » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:31 am

Kulaf wrote:How about this Embar.......we don't blame it ALL on human emissions. We just blame human emissions for rapidly accelerating a possible natural trend?

Because that is what IS actually being claimed.
Exactly. You are seriously still going to disagree with the 97% of scientists that are saying we are contributing to it...really? Just because that is what your party interest is pushing?

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

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Post by Ddrak » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:26 pm

Embar Angylwrath wrote:I never denied there was climate change. The climate is always changing. Its been warmer before, its been colder before, and it will be that way again. My issue is blaming it all on man-made emissions, then making years-ahead predictions in a science we have trouble making weekly predictions. Seems to me every time a climate scientist makes a prediction of gloom and doom, and it doesn't come to pass, well, that's just a little anomaly.
The warming isn't natural, it's man made.
Climate science doesn't deal in weeks, it deals in decades. Just because you can't predict when a mother will give birth doesn't mean you don't know the population is increasing.
One scientist predicted an ice-free Arctic in 2013, and was criticized at the time by the established community. It didn't happen, as predicted by the models at the time. Now the deniers are lying by claiming his prediction was mainstream. Business as usual for the denial liars.
The mainstream predictions are very clear, and are happening. The earth is warming and is continuing to warm.

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Post by Embar Angylwrath » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:41 pm

Kulaf wrote:How about this Embar.......we don't blame it ALL on human emissions. We just blame human emissions for rapidly accelerating a possible natural trend?

Because that is what IS actually being claimed.
By what percentage?
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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Kulaf » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:32 am

What percentage would it need to be?

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Post by Jarochai Alabaster » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:40 pm

Embar refusing to acknowledge reality? I'm shocked.
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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Harlowe » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:50 pm

With this issue, I think it's a pride thing. Too long being on the wrong side of an issue to bend now.

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Post by Ddrak » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:48 pm

Post 1990 there has been a significant natural cooling trend (thanks to El Nino effects), which have masked some of the true warming. Refer Kosaka and Xie (2013, Nature, doi:10.1038/nature12534).

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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Harlowe » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:39 am

He's on Stage 2 of Murdoch's 5 stages of climate-denial.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ges-denial

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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Ddrak » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:00 pm

The causes of climate change, with confidence intervals and level of scientific understanding (source: IPCC AR5):
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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Raelesyn » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:37 pm

Interesting article about global warming and rising sea's in the Sept 2013 edition of national geographic...and the map is really cool too! Lol Gangked it from my dentist office.. :lol:

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Re: Global cooling is the new global warming

Post by Partha » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:07 pm

Don't believe you, since when are magazines in a doctor's office less than six months old? I call shenanigans.
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