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Intellectual property

Post by Partha » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:35 am

Seeing the Satriani - Coldplay lawsuit leaves me in two minds.

On the one hand, I like Joe Satriani. On the other - it's a frigging guitar riff. There's only so many frigging notes in the universe, only so many chords, and fewer ways to put them together. What happens when someone uses a classic blues turnaround - who do they end up paying? It's as asinine in it's own right as one grandmaster's idea a few years ago to collect royalties on published games. Or as silly as trademarked phrases like 'Threepeat' or 'Quad Squad'. Why not just hold auctions for 'the', 'and', and 'or' while you're at it?

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Post by Kulaf » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:52 pm

Stuff like this bothers me:





Hip Hopp seems to be the biggest thieves. But yeah if you steal another guys riff then pay the pipper.

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Post by Ddrak » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:18 pm

Copyright should last no more than 10 years. If you haven't made your money in that time then it should be turned over to people that can. The current RIAA-sponsored limits of 75+ years are just insane.

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Post by Arathena » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:42 pm

Ddrak wrote:Copyright should last no more than 10 years. If you haven't made your money in that time then it should be turned over to people that can. The current RIAA-sponsored limits of 75+ years are just insane.

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Well, there are two distinct forms of copyright ownership - Personal, and works-for-hire. It is hard to deny the right to profit from a personal work, for the life of the creator. Where the issue must become murkier is the work-for-hire, especially for corporations. The problem here is not that people cannot make their money from it in a brief time, it is the precise opposite - certain things are cash engines in perpetuity. Witness Mickey Mouse. At what point does the right of the public to the creation - whose creator is long deceased - exceed that of the corporation that has, for lack of better terms, nurtured that creation?

The key line in the sand is the late 1920s, and the rise of the first real cornerstone of modern media - the motion picture w/ sound. Once you break that one, more than one major media company is going to be forced to adapt, but until you break them, they're going to fight tooth and nail to save their golden-egg-laying-geese. They're not insane, and the question as to if they're protecting the public interest at large is a fairly complex one. How much damage to the value of Mickey Mouse would occur if he were 'open sourced'? I don't know. I don't think as much as Disney would claim, but, I don't know.
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Post by Ddrak » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:07 am

I absolutely think all copyright should be a short-term thing - whether individual or work-for-hire. I honestly don't see much of a different argument between either.

I feel the purpose of copyright is to secure a reward for original work, which gives incentive for people to further create more original works. If the terms of copyright extend beyond a relatively small period of time then the purpose of copyright no longer becomes one of providing incentive to create new works, but becomes a means to continually extract revenue from old works. This will tend to retard the development of novel and original ideas and instead foster complacency and stagnation, as is readily apparent in the modern music and film conglomerates.

Reduce copyright to ten years and to hell with Mickey Mouse. Let Disney be forced to make NEW things to push themselves forward instead of relying on an eighty year old rodent.

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Post by Select » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:01 am

Mickey Mouse just sits there and looks pretty. He's not doing the work to rake in the cash.

Then again, Bolt isn't either. :\
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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Taxious » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:40 pm

Ddrak wrote:The current RIAA-sponsored limits of 75+ years are just insane.
Isn't it lifetime + 75 years? I agree that it's much too long, especially for artistic property like music. Dd, how do you feel about the patent duration?
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Post by Kulaf » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:54 pm

The change I would like to see in patent law is that you need a working prototype within two years of filing. That would stop all this bullshit of companies filing patents for things they have no intention of actually building or marketing just to hold for royalties.

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Post by Ddrak » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:24 am

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Ddrak wrote:The current RIAA-sponsored limits of 75+ years are just insane.
Isn't it lifetime + 75 years? I agree that it's much too long, especially for artistic property like music. Dd, how do you feel about the patent duration?
Patents and copyright are really two sides of the same thing. I'd make them both 10 years, though Kula's proposition has merit as well.

The real issue with patents is the scope of them, especially with non-physical things like computer programs. The sheer number of patents on stupidly obvious things that result in billions of dollars spent by the entire software industry just trying to navigate the patent minefield is an incredible anchor around the neck of the industry. "One Click" buying is not an "invention". It's fucking obvious.

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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Klast Brell » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:47 am

I'm surprised anyone can make anything in the tech world these days. Every time someone comes out with a nice new gadget they get sued by 20 different people. The whole visual voice mail patent thing is one of the more retarded examples. A graphical interface for voice mails just like the one you use for emails. Sounds pretty freaking obvious? http://techdirt.com/articles/20080826/2135392104.shtml The patent holder has successfully sued most smart phone manufacturers and most major cellular and VIOP providers.
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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Taxious » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:27 am

The text-to-speech software from the Kindle2 is under attack as infringing copyright law. This kind of stuff pisses me off because it seems so petty/greedy. Boo fucking hoo, audiobook sales are going to suffer. It creates jobs for people to develop and improve text-to-speech technology, get over it!

http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/02/12 ... -copyright
The Authors Guild on Thursday put out an alert to its members on the new "text-to-speech" feature on Amazon's (NASD: AMZN) Kindle 2 e-book reader device, arguing that it violates their copyrights and could hurt audiobook sales. Unlike an audiobook, though, the Kindle feature converts the text to audio using an on-board computer-generated voice, rather than using a recording of the author's or a celebrity reader's voice.
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Post by Klast Brell » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:26 am

I'm impatiently waiting for text to speech to get better. They have the pronunciations down pretty good these days. Now they need to work on the verbal cues that tell us about the sentence structure. I'm not a linguist (insert joke here) but i think these things are prey common in speech.

Slight emphasis accenting the first word of a sentence.
A rise in pitch in the second to the last word, followed by a drop in pitch for the last word.
In the case of a question there is no closing drop.

That gets me thinking. On a psychological level. Do we signal the communication of a complete idea by closing it with a rise-drop? And do we signal a question by leaving it incomplete? Using the rise but leaving out the drop, prompting someone else to provide the drop and complete the idea?
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Post by Garrdor » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:38 am

So, me and my "omg im so kewl" band are recording a split LP next month. One of our songs (you can find it on our myspace "Mayday Switchblade") has recieved some interesting feedback.

Off of the 1st album from the band "The Circle Takes the Square" there's a pretty popular riff that drones on and on throughout the whole song. Well, there's a similar riff that goes throughout Mayday. Actually, they're pretty identical.

I wrote the guitar parts for Mayday Switchblade when I was 17 years old. I hadn't even heard of Circle takes Square until a few months ago.

Intellectual property... FML!
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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Taxious » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:19 am

Go google go!

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines ... nt-371239/

One of my annoyances with current copyright laws is that it holds some technology back. It'd be great to have every book in an online format, but it looks like greedy old authors are going to keep it from happening. :roll:
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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Kulaf » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:52 pm

Umm......actually it has nothing to do with authors from what I read in your article. Google is scanning orphaned books which remain under copyright but whose compyright holder cannot be located.

Basically this is just an anti-trust arguement that Google should not be the only source of all of that information.

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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Arathena » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:50 am

Yeah, it's like Yahoo saying it should be the owner of all abandonware software available on the web...
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Re: Intellectual property

Post by Torakus » Sat May 02, 2009 5:43 pm

Arathena wrote:Yeah, it's like Yahoo saying it should be the owner of all abandonware software available on the web...
When everyone knows that I am the owner of all abandonware on the web.....

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