Ok, Shosh, time to take the golves off.....

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Post by ZanypherCocoapuffs » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:58 pm

ZanypherCocoapuffs wrote:Frankly I don't give a shit who it was. As Beeker already stated, the post was probably made from Shoshannah's computer, so doing an IP check is pointless because the IP's would match. Even if it was Sunshu, or Kelindar, or whothefuckever, it'd still have been done from Shosh's computer, which means you wouldn't know who it was.

I tend to agree. It's a red herring.

Unless you think you really have something Croinc, in which case you'd probably be best to present your case before you expect people to give a shit.
I take it all back!

If you'd have let it go nobody could have really proved it. The only one who could prove it was you posting as Sunshu from your computer was yourself. Good jaerb there Homestar!
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Post by Relbeek Einre » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:06 pm

Mal, Bang, Akh, et al...

For the umpteenth time, I have instituted exactly one ban. Valoria.

Everything else -- two suspensions, both temporary, and two additional warnings -- all have come from the mods, who have acted within the authority given them under the rules. The only difference between then and now is that we have a few people who got their undies in a bunch and decided to try pushing it.

I got suckered, yeah. But the mods have instituted their own ban on Valoria, under the rules, so if I lifted my sanction theirs would apply, and acting outside the mods' authority is what got me into this mess, and it seems to be that's what you're demanding I do.

Acting outside mod authority a second time would worsen the problem, not better it.

And no matter how much you alarmists pile it on, I am -not- going to do it.

And for all your comparisons to Jester, if he had taken this much shit from you lot, this board would already be shut down. Which also is -not- going to happen unless and until the finances no longer support the board, or it outlives its usefulness.

This board has been run and will continue to be run according to the best judgement of myself and the mods. They will not always act with 100% approval of the users. In fact, they rarely will. Consider that some participants of the forum say banning Valoria was right, but suspending Jecks and Rsak was not. Consider that others say banning Valoria was wrong, but suspending Jecks and Rsak was right. Consider some say all were right, consider some say all were wrong. There is a diversity of opinion here, and nearly as many opinions as there are people.

Did they or I make bad choices? Now and then. They and I have made mistakes in the past, and we will again in the future. The shrieking of the harpies here will not prevent it, nor will it make recovery from such any easier.

And if you think I'm being defensive and egocentric (the latter being a tautology), then all the more reason for me to not override the mods, because my judgement would be impaired. And since I'm taking the heat, and they're not, I'll leave them to exercise their best judgement, and act on their instructions, as I have both prior to and since the Valoria incident.

The fact remains that the rules are clearly posted. You may disagree with them, or how they are being interpreted; that's your right. But if one chooses to flout them anyway, one should be prepared for the sanction in response. Of course you may not. The mods and I are not 100% vigilant, we don't see all, we aren't paid to do this, it's not our full time job, and we do miss things. Most things, in fact. The alarmists would say that shows bias. But not one single PM has been sent to myself or any of the mods in months pointing out a rules violation (except for massive spamming or the like). In fact, outside the odd request for an IP check, the only messages I get are questions about account validation or lost passwords.

So essentially the alarmists seem carry an expectation that the mods and I read every post and check it for rules violations. This simply isn't going to happen. Not even I read every post on the board, and I -- obviously -- use this place more than anybody.

Well allow me to try to disabuse you of that. Doesn't work that way. And on a thread where the flames are flying high is no place to point it out -- we simply can't keep up. If you think something needs to be addressed, the mods and I can be PMed or emailed. And right now, there's so much misinformation flying about this forum that I can't keep everything going on here straight, and I'm pretty sure that you guys aren't either.

Sometime in the future, a review and clarification of the rules is in order. But it's not going to happen now, not while tempers are high, not while the jackals are prowling.

For now the mods and I are going to continue to do what we've been doing, and try to do it objectively despite the insults, accusations, arguments, and general vitriol. We may fail at times. But you're just going to have to deal with imperfection.

One mistake I'm going to correct straight off is to no longer add fuel to this fire. Ergo, this is the last public statement I have to make on the subject.

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Post by foeham » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:11 pm

Well said beeker, that's all it took. And see your head did not explode.

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Post by Akhbarali » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:33 pm

Relbeek Einre wrote:Mal, Bang, Akh, et al...

For the umpteenth time, I have instituted exactly one ban. Valoria.
For the record, my only real objection (and the only thing I have harrassed you about) was the Valoria banning. The lemmings that followed knew what they were doing and ultimately got lesser punishments than they deserved.

On a side note, I have never expected you to pull a "Jester" as even you must understand that it is V-Day for Valoria the minute you do. I also have not taken any shots at the mods as they obviously don't have the final word on anything that goes on here and there are no consistent rules to apply even if they did.

It was still a bad decision and it is compounded by your unwillingness to overrule the bad decision. We all know when you break the rules and make a stupid mistake it would be "wrong" to break them again to rectify the mistake. :roll:


PS: Smart move refusing to respond further. It is impossible to defend the indefensible.

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Post by Ozbee » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:04 pm

Could we get a Forum devoted to bannings and the reasons behind them?

We could hold a naming contest and all, and each timeout would come with an explaination, rollcall vote, and appropriate ridicule from that overlords of BrellRants.

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Post by Ninadene » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:10 pm

this board is starting to remind me od the FYAD forum at something awful

... i like it

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Post by Blooh Sugah » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:18 pm

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Post by Vulgarr Disruptor » Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:08 pm

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Post by Karjia » Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:23 pm

Ninadene wrote:this board is starting to remind me od the FYAD forum at something awful

... i like it
That's not a good thing. It could be worse though...

Like being GBS.

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Post by Burz » Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:40 pm

Dost wrote:For example, when you do a whois on enshadowed.net, you get:

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Post by Syeni Soulslasher MK6 » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:25 pm

Burz wrote:
Dost wrote:For example, when you do a whois on enshadowed.net, you get:

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I'm suprized didnt use Area Code 90210

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Post by Fallakin Kuvari » Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:25 pm

Nasrudin wrote:protip: Fallakin, if you want to lie about your gender, you shouldn't host that photo on the same webpage you have a photo of some metrosexual which you also claim to be of yourself and a screenshot of your toon.

Don't be such a freakin amature!

p.s. more pix of chix plz thx
The point was I was posting someones RL name and a picture of them, without their permission.. even though I was claiming it was me.. :P

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Post by Finine » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:09 pm

Fallakin Kuvari wrote:
WTF, Metrosexual? fuck that I'm straight.

1 entry found for metrosexual.

Main Entry: metrosexual
Function: noun
Definition: a young, urban and usually heterosexual male who is concerned with fashion, food and grooming
Etymology: Coined by Mark Simpson in 1994 article for The Independent

Doesn't imply you're gay. Just concerned with appearance.

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Post by Faol » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:12 am

Aren't you all sick of this shit already? So Relbeek fucked up. Show me someone who hasn't. It was bound to happen eventually.

I'd personally prefer Valoria was unbanned but geez get over it. He's a big boy and he can handle it. I'll miss some of his posts. He could at times be truly insightful, ok it was rare but there, and he managed to make me laugh frequently at the way he suckered people in. One of the best trolls we've had since Nillon and the art of the one word rant. I don't think he should have been banned. I think a warning would have sufficed and a suspension at most but it looks like it got personal with someone here. *cough* Beeker. *cough*

I've always thought Shosh was an uppity bitch and now we have proof. Rock my world babe...so glad your petty spitefulness is out of the closet. Did you say you were coming back to Brell? Please do us all a favor and stay where you are. We have enough drama whores already but we'll keep your resume on file for future openings. Btw children are a responsibility and a privilege, not a tool for vengeance, in case you dozed through that parenting class. I couldn't care less who you fuck or call your current SO but I hope, if he actually exists at all, he's taken note of what a vindictive bitch you are because someday it'll be his turn.

Beeker...you nimrod. Please come back down to earth with the rest of us fallible folk and admit you fucked up. She wasn't worth it and seriously I'd have more respect for you if you'd admit it and fixed it then just kept passing the buck.

Mods....way to go. You've totally pissed off your general population and made them mistrustful of your ability to interpret and enforce the rules as written. I do hope a rewrite is coming else you're all looking pretty fucked up.

I rarely post but I read daily...I know I'm not proud of it.

If I was the big kahuna here we'd unban/unsuspend everyone and ride Shosh out on a rail. Mmm tar and feathers.

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Post by AngelecDominion » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:19 am

Some say intelligence comes from age, I say intelligence comes from not being stupid.
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Post by SicTimMitchell » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:36 am

Yeah, but the older you get the easier it is not to be stupid.
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Post by Faol » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:38 am

I'm really old and so nearly totally incapable of stupid. ;)

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Post by Croinc » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:43 am

Relbeek's integirty...have you met my friend mr toliet?


And as for you Shosh, I set out to prove that you were a nutcase. Thank you for helping me out in every way possible.

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