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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Ddrak » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:33 pm

The reason this has become racial in tone, when it never was about race, is because of the imbecilic knee-jerk reactions evidenced by Masterloo and Harlowe, fueled in large part by race baiters like Sharpton, with a little nudge from Obama no less.
We don't know that it was "never about race" is the real problem. While you obviously can't prove what goes on in someone's mind, this whole thing strikes a chord with underlying racial issues that absolutely do exist.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Harlowe » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:45 pm

Like the imbecilic conservative knee-jerk to vilify the victim and paint the shooter as the victim?

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:00 pm

Ddrak wrote:
The reason this has become racial in tone, when it never was about race, is because of the imbecilic knee-jerk reactions evidenced by Masterloo and Harlowe, fueled in large part by race baiters like Sharpton, with a little nudge from Obama no less.
We don't know that it was "never about race" is the real problem. While you obviously can't prove what goes on in someone's mind, this whole thing strikes a chord with underlying racial issues that absolutely do exist.

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You seem to be implying that in any case involving members of different races, we are to assume it's racially motivated, in whole or in part, absent any evidence supporting that assumption.

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@Harlowe - Yeah, that's just as bad too. There are two direct victims. One, Martin, is the victim of a gunshot wound resulting in his death, arising out of a confrontation tat we don't now who started. The other, Zimmerman, is a victim of a politically driven agenda, fueled by race-baiting elements in our society, and apparently with your approval of that type of behavior.
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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Ddrak » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:44 am

Embar Angylwrath wrote:
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The reason this has become racial in tone, when it never was about race, is because of the imbecilic knee-jerk reactions evidenced by Masterloo and Harlowe, fueled in large part by race baiters like Sharpton, with a little nudge from Obama no less.
We don't know that it was "never about race" is the real problem. While you obviously can't prove what goes on in someone's mind, this whole thing strikes a chord with underlying racial issues that absolutely do exist.

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You seem to be implying that in any case involving members of different races, we are to assume it's racially motivated, in whole or in part, absent any evidence supporting that assumption.

/golfclap
No.

No, I'm not saying that at all. That would be easy to shut down because it would be wrong. What I *am* saying is the action, much like the Rodney King incident strikes a chord with the underlying racial issues in society that do exist.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Arkaron » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:46 am

The more I read about the case the more it seems like Zimmerman was a mall ninja and Martin was a punk kid. There's no martyr in any of it.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by MeGusta » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:03 am

The more I read about the case the more it seems like Zimmerman was a mall ninja and Martin was a punk kid. There's no martyr in any of it.
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Prosecutors have portrayed George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch enthusiast who shot the 17-year-old Martin, as being many things: profane, mendacious, overzealous, violent. But they haven’t called Zimmerman, who is claiming that he acted in self-defense, a racist. Instead of becoming a meditation on race, the courtroom action is unfolding as a police procedural, a saga of guns and vigilantism, a glimpse of civic rage and frustration.
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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:24 am

Ddrak wrote:
Embar Angylwrath wrote:
Ddrak wrote:
The reason this has become racial in tone, when it never was about race, is because of the imbecilic knee-jerk reactions evidenced by Masterloo and Harlowe, fueled in large part by race baiters like Sharpton, with a little nudge from Obama no less.
We don't know that it was "never about race" is the real problem. While you obviously can't prove what goes on in someone's mind, this whole thing strikes a chord with underlying racial issues that absolutely do exist.

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You seem to be implying that in any case involving members of different races, we are to assume it's racially motivated, in whole or in part, absent any evidence supporting that assumption.

/golfclap
No.

No, I'm not saying that at all. That would be easy to shut down because it would be wrong. What I *am* saying is the action, much like the Rodney King incident strikes a chord with the underlying racial issues in society that do exist.

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And what element in our society is actually plucking that chord, Dd?
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Post by Fallakin Kuvari » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:49 am

Remember that one time, when a highly watched Trial tried to do a witness testimony via Skype?

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Post by Ddrak » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:12 pm

Embar Angylwrath wrote:And what element in our society is actually plucking that chord, Dd?
The one it most strikes the chord with?

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Post by Partha » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:20 pm

Embar must be under that delusion again that African Americans are treated equally by the police or the 'police' as white suburbanites.
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Post by Kulaf » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:35 pm

George Zimmerman is white?

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Post by Fallakin Kuvari » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:50 am

Kulaf wrote:George Zimmerman is white?
Hispanic is the new white.
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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Partha » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:03 am

Kulaf wrote:George Zimmerman is white?
Shhh, don't tell anyone, but Italians, Irish, and Eastern European folks weren't white in this country either, at different points.
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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Kulaf » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:14 am

No, they were all white. They were just thought of as poor imigrants aka euro-trash.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:16 am

Ddrak wrote:
Embar Angylwrath wrote:And what element in our society is actually plucking that chord, Dd?
The one it most strikes the chord with?

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Sp you're saying the one's striking the chord are the ones that want to hear it?
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Ddrak » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:33 am

Embar Angylwrath wrote:
Ddrak wrote:
Embar Angylwrath wrote:And what element in our society is actually plucking that chord, Dd?
The one it most strikes the chord with?

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Sp you're saying the one's striking the chord are the ones that want to hear it?
That's a tautology.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:16 am

And that's what you're suggesting.
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Ddrak » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:54 am

And...? I'm really not getting where you're trying to go with this.

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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:41 am

You are suggesting (and I agree) that the ones that see this as a racial incident want to see it that way. Now you have to ask, why do those elements of society manufacture a racial incident all the while claiming they want to see those incidents end?
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Re: Zimmerman

Post by Ddrak » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:28 am

I think "manufacture" is a tough word. Whether Zimmerman went nigger-hunting or not, the whole scenario of a white guy killing a black guy and then not being convicted stirs up all sorts of bad memories of the same thing happening when there *was* clear racial motivation. I don't think they so much "want" to see it that way as "are predisposed" or "prejudiced" into seeing it that way. Lots of baggage.

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