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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Torakus » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Embar Angylwrath wrote:Yes. FUCKING REALLY.

Under what authority does a TSA goon have to try and control movements of anyone once past the screening area. What is the purpose of it, Tora? More and more, you sound like a TSA zombie. Your whole attitude is "What are you bitching about, its not that much freedom we're taking from you".
He has every authority. You are not past the screening area, you are past the screening checkpoint. The entire sterile area of the airport is the screening area and TSA is authorized to conduct playbook exercises in it anytime they need to, including during training like this.

I keep trying to see your point, but all I hear is the Wambulance roaring past me headed to drop off a tampon at your position.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Partha » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:37 am

I am reminded of a film I watched as a callow youth in public schooling. There was a man, who had an apple tree, who kept trying to find new and clever ways to prevent animals from getting to the apples in the tree, which ended up with him enclosing the tree in a brick dome and the tree never making apples again, because, you know, no photosynthesis.

We are demanding 100% security or as close to it as humanly possible in airplane terminals. Guess what? In order to get maximum security, you give up maximum freedom to do whatever the hell you want in an airport terminal. Any silly shit that happens is no sillier than the idea that all that Security Theater is gonna stop a terrorist from doing something else with a plane if they get the idea.
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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:45 pm

Give us the real Partha, pod person!
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Partha » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:42 am

Mark my words, probably within the next ten years someone will develop a nice virus, stick in in an app, stick that on a smartphone and find a way to upload it into your nice 21st century plane (like the Dreamliner) with it's reliance on electronics and they'll be able to push a button and shut off the fucking plane or open the cargo doors midflight or something else incredibly devious and destructive. And before you know it, all electronic devices will be barred from planes faster than you can say prohibition. I'll take bets on the pissing and moaning then.
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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Ddrak » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:49 pm

And before you know it, all electronic devices will be barred from planes faster than you can say prohibition. I'll take bets on the pissing and moaning then.
But still be allowed in checked luggage, right?

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Torakus » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:00 pm

Partha wrote:Mark my words, probably within the next ten years someone will develop a nice virus, stick in in an app, stick that on a smartphone and find a way to upload it into your nice 21st century plane (like the Dreamliner) with it's reliance on electronics and they'll be able to push a button and shut off the fucking plane or open the cargo doors midflight or something else incredibly devious and destructive. And before you know it, all electronic devices will be barred from planes faster than you can say prohibition. I'll take bets on the pissing and moaning then.
Please go through an airworthiness certification and then come tell the world how easy this would be.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Ddrak » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:32 pm

Torakus wrote:
Partha wrote:Mark my words, probably within the next ten years someone will develop a nice virus, stick in in an app, stick that on a smartphone and find a way to upload it into your nice 21st century plane (like the Dreamliner) with it's reliance on electronics and they'll be able to push a button and shut off the fucking plane or open the cargo doors midflight or something else incredibly devious and destructive. And before you know it, all electronic devices will be barred from planes faster than you can say prohibition. I'll take bets on the pissing and moaning then.
Please go through an airworthiness certification and then come tell the world how easy this would be.
I would estimate the same order of magnitude as a short circuit causing a center wing fuel tank explosion.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Torakus » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:22 pm

Ddrak wrote:
Torakus wrote:
Partha wrote:Mark my words, probably within the next ten years someone will develop a nice virus, stick in in an app, stick that on a smartphone and find a way to upload it into your nice 21st century plane (like the Dreamliner) with it's reliance on electronics and they'll be able to push a button and shut off the fucking plane or open the cargo doors midflight or something else incredibly devious and destructive. And before you know it, all electronic devices will be barred from planes faster than you can say prohibition. I'll take bets on the pissing and moaning then.
Please go through an airworthiness certification and then come tell the world how easy this would be.
I would estimate the same order of magnitude as a short circuit causing a center wing fuel tank explosion.

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So extremely unlikely. I agree.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:26 pm

I hope the sequestration allows people to see those Walmart failures that end up at the TSA are completely irrelevant. Probably won't happen though, becuase too many sheeple believe the knuckleheads at the airport serve a useful purpose. I guess, in a sense they do, much like a binkie does to a baby. False security.
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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Ddrak » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:33 am

Torakus wrote:So extremely unlikely. I agree.

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Extremely unlikely, probably happen eventually (large number of flights multiplied by tiny chance), and when it does will be blown completely out of proportion.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Harlowe » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:06 am

"Sheeple"....really dude, you want to use a term mostly by uneducated rednecks and Victoria Jackson? Besides, where are all these TSA fans? I don't think I know many people that aren't utterly disgusted with the TSA and the quality of the workers.

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Post by Embar Angylwrath » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:31 pm

Then you run with a well-informed and intelligent crowd Harlowe. You tend to think for yourself and you probably surround yourself with others that do so as well. Sadly, that's not the case for most Americans. Most Americans don't question the TSA much. And polls indicate many of our fellow citizens see the TSA as doing something critical to their safety.

@Tora - Maybe DHS should stop spending cash on stockpiling over 1.5 billion bullets and buying over 2700 armored, mine resistant vehicles (useadd for urban "pacificiation" purposes). Maybe if they stopped focusing on becoming a para-military organization set up for massive urban conflict (although its neat end around posse comitatus), they'd have a few extra bucks they could use to throw your way.

Why do YOU think DHS is stockpiling munitions and outfitting itself with urban warfare assets?
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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Partha » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:32 pm

Torakus wrote:
Ddrak wrote:
Torakus wrote:
Partha wrote:Mark my words, probably within the next ten years someone will develop a nice virus, stick in in an app, stick that on a smartphone and find a way to upload it into your nice 21st century plane (like the Dreamliner) with it's reliance on electronics and they'll be able to push a button and shut off the fucking plane or open the cargo doors midflight or something else incredibly devious and destructive. And before you know it, all electronic devices will be barred from planes faster than you can say prohibition. I'll take bets on the pissing and moaning then.
Please go through an airworthiness certification and then come tell the world how easy this would be.
I would estimate the same order of magnitude as a short circuit causing a center wing fuel tank explosion.

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So extremely unlikely. I agree.

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I believe 'extremely unlikely' includes taking over airplanes with box cutters, too.
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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Torakus » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:25 pm

90,000 flight attendants now feel less safe on flights. As of Wednesday you can now carry your pocket knife on the plane with you (as long as it has a 6cm or smaller blade with no locking mechanism). Box cutters would have been allowed as well, but there is still bad feelings for the little fellas. You can also carry baseball bats, canes, toys that look like weapons, ski poles, and even golf clubs in your carry on luggage. How long until someone is assaulted on a plane? I will let you know.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Ddrak » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:28 pm

90,000 flight attendants now feel less safe on flights.
Interesting statement - "feel less safe", not "are less safe".

In reality, the person at the highest risk of assault on a flight is the one perceived as wielding a weapon. Passengers don't put up with that shit any more.

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Torakus » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:24 pm

Ddrak wrote:
90,000 flight attendants now feel less safe on flights.
Interesting statement - "feel less safe", not "are less safe".

In reality, the person at the highest risk of assault on a flight is the one perceived as wielding a weapon. Passengers don't put up with that shit any more.

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Yes "feel less safe", or at least that is what their union is saying for them. And I suppose the latter is also true. Even if passengers intervene, it was you who noted -
Extremely unlikely, probably happen eventually (large number of flights multiplied by tiny chance)
- And I think it applies well here.

I am not aware of a case where a weapon wielding passenger has been successfully subdued by other passengers. Sure when its just some loud mouth drunk, it is easy to stand up and help, but when you are in actual danger?

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Post by Fallakin Kuvari » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:15 pm

Torakus wrote:I am not aware of a case where a weapon wielding passenger has been successfully subdued by other passengers. Sure when its just some loud mouth drunk, it is easy to stand up and help, but when you are in actual danger?
Flight 93.
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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Ddrak » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:25 am

Hasn't every case of a weapon (or even believed weapon) on a plane been completely shat on by passengers since 9/11?

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Re: TSA Epic Fails

Post by Torakus » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:44 am

Fallakin Kuvari wrote:
Torakus wrote:I am not aware of a case where a weapon wielding passenger has been successfully subdued by other passengers. Sure when its just some loud mouth drunk, it is easy to stand up and help, but when you are in actual danger?
Flight 93.
Yep, that huge lawn dart was a resounding success. Perhaps you have a different definition of successfully, but I don't think everyone onboard dying is it.
Ddrak wrote:Hasn't every case of a weapon (or even believed weapon) on a plane been completely shat on by passengers since 9/11?

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I cannot think of one where an actual weapon was involved since 9/11. Which makes my point a bit of a straw man since we have not really seen how passengers would react to someone waving a knife or pistol around or even a baseball bat.

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Post by Fallakin Kuvari » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:03 pm

Torakus wrote:
Fallakin Kuvari wrote:
Torakus wrote:I am not aware of a case where a weapon wielding passenger has been successfully subdued by other passengers. Sure when its just some loud mouth drunk, it is easy to stand up and help, but when you are in actual danger?
Flight 93.
Yep, that huge lawn dart was a resounding success. Perhaps you have a different definition of successfully, but I don't think everyone onboard dying is it.
Actually the weapon wielding passengers were successfully subdued by other passengers. Unfortunately it was after the pilots had been taken out.

You never stipulated that "successfully" meant that everyone on board survived and went on to live happy lives.
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