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Post by Ddrak » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:58 am

Heh - I love the fact they ripped up I-5 to supply SoE more bandwidth...

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Post by Bahd Zoolander » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:29 pm

SicTimMitchell wrote:Oh, I take it back. I was only thinking of my desktops.

My first DOS machine was an 8088 Toshiba laptop. LCD not backlit, and couldn't display an entire screen of PC text. No HD goes without saying.

It was spanking hot at the time.
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Post by Ickhor » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:04 pm

Doubt it, the T-1000 was liquid metal.

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Post by Prana » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:58 pm

If you consider the computer desk, a really nice chair and a nice surround sound speaker system...you could exceed the 6k budget, even before buying the computer components.

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Post by Xican » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:14 am

How'd I miss this?

I could easily see $6k being spent.

I can also imagine someone staying 'ahead of the game' everywhere but possibly the graphics card with 6k for many years. If you spend that much you shouldn't have to replace anything for a long time. I only say the graphics card, in order to continue playing top-end games at their highest settings. Even then, if you budgetted $150 a year, you can continue to purchase top-end graphics cards every 2 years, that'd keep you in the clear for 2 years at a time.

Damn, what I could do with a $6k budget.
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Post by Syeni Soulslasher MK6 » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:00 am

6K
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Time for a.....

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Post by Prana » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:12 pm

Of course you can spend over 6k. Every gamer needs a full set of Sonus Faber speakers for their computer. =)

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Post by Embar Angylwrath » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:24 pm

Xican wrote:How'd I miss this?

I could easily see $6k being spent.

I can also imagine someone staying 'ahead of the game' everywhere but possibly the graphics card with 6k for many years. If you spend that much you shouldn't have to replace anything for a long time. I only say the graphics card, in order to continue playing top-end games at their highest settings. Even then, if you budgetted $150 a year, you can continue to purchase top-end graphics cards every 2 years, that'd keep you in the clear for 2 years at a time.

Damn, what I could do with a $6k budget.
Actually.. that last 10-15% in performance will cost you 50% more in cost. A 6K system now, will be no better than a 3K system in 18 months, and a 2k system in 24 months.
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Post by Ddrak » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:36 pm

I'm still trying to find a top end card for $300. Current "top end" video card systems run around $1200-$1400 for a dual top end GF7xxx.

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Post by Embar Angylwrath » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:40 pm

Ddrak wrote:I'm still trying to find a top end card for $300. Current "top end" video card systems run around $1200-$1400 for a dual top end GF7xxx.

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What's the diff in performance between a $1200 card and a $300 card.. really? About 15%?
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Post by Ddrak » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:49 pm

It depends on how you define "performance" and which application you are looking at.

Anywhere from a 15% to 200% improvement though.

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Post by Ickhor » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:55 pm

Gamers aren't really the target market for the $1200 video cards.

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Post by Flunkie » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:55 pm

I don't know about a $1200 card, but you could buy a couple SLI cards and spend $1200 easy.

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Post by Ddrak » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:00 pm

Think you misread Ick. Gamers are definitely the target of a dual GF7800 system.

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Post by Ickhor » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:03 pm

What's the most expensive PC-based ( ia32/64, sparc, power, mips, etc included ) box you can buy, I wonder?

I have ~$600,000 with the obvious answer.

No mainframes or vector processors or blades or clusters...

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Post by Ickhor » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:04 pm

Are you talking about that new SLI-on-one-board thing? I just assumed you were talking about a matrox card or something...

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Post by Xican » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:35 pm

When I say 'top-end' I mean in comparison to what is on the market in terms of games. You could run any game that's coming out in the next 3 years on a single GF7800 system without having to 'tone it down' at all. Easily. Assuming you use the model of $150 a year, you're looking at $450 by the time you need to upgrade. And you'll probably get a pretty good trade-in on the old card. All in all, I can't see a 'necessity' in spending more than that to keep up with the times in terms of gaming.

The rest of the computer, assuming you spent the $6k well shouldn't really need much upgrading other than that for the next 4-5 years or so. Hell, an Athlon 64 FX-57 will last you forever and it's not even the best thing out there right now.
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Post by Ickhor » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:39 pm

Most people who buy cards like that buy them with the intention of futureproofing their system...

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Post by Ddrak » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:25 pm

Xican,

No current computer system can play all *current* games with everything cranked up to the maximum, let alone games 3 years out. Doom 3 stutters on top of the line machines when you turn *everything* on. Everquest 2 doesn't even come close to turning everything on before it maxes out your hardware. I could run through a few other games, but futureproofing a computer system for 3 years when processing and graphics power double every 18 months is ridiculous.

Let's look at hardware 3 years ago. Top of the line, just released was the GF4 Ti4600 and the Radeon 9700 Pro. Neither card can run modern games well. Pair them with the Athlon 2800+ or P4/2800 of the same time period and you're looking at a 10fps slideshow on anything too modern.

Future proofing is pointless. You're much better off on a yearly upgrade cycle for gaming and spending about what you can afford at that time (which will dictate how fast your machine is). I doubt I've even spent close to $6000 on my two gaming PCs even over the last 5 years total.


Ick,

I was talking about the cost of 2 GF7800s. Not one single card but a pair.

Most expensive boxes I've seen:

Loaded 64 way Power5 - $26 million ($12m for computer, $14m for disk drives). Has 2TB of memory and 240TB disk. However, some may consider Power5+AIX to be a mainframe.

64 way Itanium - $5.5 million. Has 1TB memory and 53TB disk. That includes Win2k3 Datacenter.

16 way Xeon box (for the PC compatible thing you might play Quake on) - about $1.1m (500k for computer, 600k for drives). Has 64G memory and 12TB disk. I excluded the cost of software on that as SQL Server was a significant component.

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Post by Ickhor » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:52 pm

Wow, never have seen anything that expensive myself, I just assumed a maxed out Sun e10000 would be near the priciest.


That 64 way AIX box is pretty dreamy.

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